BP9CC problem

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CGW_Fan

Discussion Starter · May 27, 2014 (Edited)

Hello.
I'm a new member so if this problem has already been addressed, my apologies.
A friend of mine has several Bersas
While shooting a BP9CC, we've been having trouble with it jamming.
The first few mags went through without any problem at all but then it started having periodic jams where it would not eject the empty.
Not only that, but several of the empties were jammed so tightly in the barrel that I had to put something down the barrel to knock them out.

I stripped it down, cleaned, and oiled it but it seemed to make no difference at all.
I then suspected some sort of problem with the loads (as they were reloads).
However, we ran a bunch of them through a Beretta and had ZERO problems.
I even tried some loaded with a different brand of brass and had exactly the same result. These aren't super hot loads or anything. Pretty much middle of the road, using 115gr RNs.

Can anyone tell me what the problem might be here?

Thank you in advance.

CGW_Fa

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snakeye

· #2 · May 27, 2014

You said you were using reloaded ammo. The ammo may be underpowered for use in the Bersa. Just because ammo works in one gun doesn't mean in all guns, especially reloaded ammo. Try some hotter reloads or buy some premium ammo and try that and see if that works

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CGW_Fan

Discussion Starter · #3 · May 28, 2014 (Edited)

Called tonight and asked about the loads.
They had 6.2 gr Power Pistol which is should be about 1175 FPS with the 115gr projectile.
That does not seem like a light load to me..?

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daytona955i

· #4 · May 28, 2014

There is more to a load than just the powder used. How were the bullets crimped? What was the overall length?

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CGW_Fan

Discussion Starter · #5 · May 29, 2014 (Edited)

daytona955i said:
There is more to a load than just the powder used. How were the bullets crimped? What was the overall length?

I realize I am new here but I will ask that you please not talk down to me.
I know something about reloading and I can assure you that these loads were within spec's (1.11) and that the crimp on the die was set correctly.
I can take other loads from the same run and they will drop right into the pipe.

I'm now starting to wonder if the extractor isn't part or all of the problem here. The other day, we tried just 2 in the mag... Releasing the slide chambered the first without any apparent incident. That round fired but was not extracted and, consequently, round 2 was jammed into the back of it.
I repeated the experiment and had the same result.
However, the reason I am not convinced that this is the only problem is that, in both cases, once I removed the mag and 2nd round, the empty brass in the barrel would just fall out into my hand. There was no indication of it sticking in the tube as had happened on several other occasions. And, again, when I say they were stuck, I mean I literally had to put something down the barrel and knock them out. (with some difficulty)
In fact, I wonder if I didn't damage the extractor trying to get the darned thing open on the times the brass was jammed in it..?

The Chicken or the egg??

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Sportdog7

· #6 · May 30, 2014

Never used reloads in any of my pistols, used reloads plenty with my shotguns without issue. So.. Maybe you've done this and maybe not but buy a box of factory ammo and see if they run without issue. If so you know the problem is the reloads, but if your still having problems...Send it in, that's what a warranty is for.

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Soren

· #7 · May 31, 2014

CGW_Fan said:
I'm now starting to wonder if the extractor isn't part or all of the problem here. The other day, we tried just 2 in the mag... Releasing the slide chambered the first without any apparent incident. That round fired but was not extracted and, consequently, round 2 was jammed into the back of it.

You are probably right. It does seem that like with most guns and Bersas that have the kind of issues that your are experiencing, that the culprit is the extractor 90% of the time.

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greg_r

· #8 · Jun 8, 2014

Sounds like an ejector issue to me.

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CGW_Fan

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jun 9, 2014

Well, it went to a local gunsmith so I guess we'll see...

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WayneJessie

· #10 · Jun 10, 2014

Soren said:
You are probably right. It does seem that like with most guns and Bersas that have the kind of issues that your are experiencing, that the culprit is the extractor 90% of the time.

These super-light polymer pistols require a very good grip to function 100%. They don't have the weight of steel/aluminum guns so grip is critical in their function.

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Gibbs

· #11 · Jun 14, 2014

Many times the extractor leaves the factory and not polished NEAR enough at the face. You would be surprised at how often extractors, not ejectors, are the main culprit of FTF and FTE.

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greg_r

· #12 · Jun 14, 2014

greg_r said:
Sounds like an ejector issue to me.

Well I flubbed this one

. Should have said extractor. Sounds like the extractor is slipping off the rim. As Vern said, it may need a little fitting work, or could just be dirty. I take mine down completely from time to time. You could be surprised at how dirty a clean firearm could actually be

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Gibbs

· #13 · Jun 14, 2014

Here is a very valuable link for reading on how to make a 1911 more reliable. Scroll down toward the bottom and it talks about the extractor. THIS alone is one of the key elements of FTF problems I have encountered. I got a new extractor for my Taurus PT111 Millennium PRO 45 and replaced it since the other extractor had the looseness to not hold the bullet back against the slide face and often, when the slide out, would remove an unfired bullet right down the magazine well. New extractor gave horrible FTF problems on a pistol that was before 100% reliable. So I removed the extractor, did a bevel, polished the face, made it so that it was easier on the extractor to get a good hold on the case and no more EVER Fail To Feed problems. LINK: http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/reliability_secrets.htm

Greg_r is right, sometimes (quite often) you get a build up of gunk right in the extractor area, so a small brass brush is often nice to give it a swipe around that area. Dry with Q tip.

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